"Moonsorrow is one of the most inspiring Finnish epic pagan metal bands out there. Jerry had the pleasure to talk to these guys at Nordic Metal Cruise 2021. Tune in for some 30 min of talk."
4-Sept-2021
"Moonsorrow is one of the most inspiring Finnish epic pagan metal bands out there. Jerry had the pleasure to talk to these guys at Nordic Metal Cruise 2021. Tune in for some 30 min of talk."
4-Sept-2021
"Mitja talks about the difference between touring in the US vs Europe, the latest tour, and the importance of baby wipes on tour."
TRADUCCIÓN AL ESPAÑOL (aproximada)
¿Cómo va esta mini gira?
Estuvimos, sobre todo, viajando y esperando. Parece un solo día muy largo. Tocamos ayer y hoy parece el mismo día por los vuelos y demás. Estamos muy cansados.
Oí que Marko tiene un problema en la rodilla.
Sí, lo operaron al principio del año y puede tocar siempre que tenga cuidado.
Hace poco sacasteis la tremenda caja. ¿Cómo surgió la idea? ¿Estáis satisfechos con el resultado?
Creo que fue hace unos dos años cuando empezamos a hablar de ello. El sello Blood Music quería hacer este bicho y nos moló la idea y nos pusimos a recopilar material. Quisimos hacerla de modo que nadie se pudiera quejar.
¿Y te gusta cómo quedó?
Sí, es tremenda. Tengo una en casa. Estéticamente chula, pesa mucho, suena guay. Hay cosas inéditas. Dos maquetas perdidas y luego recuperadas. El material perdido sigue perdido, aún hay dos canciones que grabamos pero no existen, pero juntamos todo lo que teníamos para la caja.
Thorns of Ice se perdió, pero ¿por qué no sacasteis Promo en su momento?
El sonido era horrible, como se puede comprobar. Henri hizo lo que pudo con ella. El sonido era horrible. No sé qué pasó. Pero no teníamos mucha experiencia aún. No pudimos sacarla, era horrible.
La caja era muy cara. No discuto que el precio esté justificado, pero ¿no es un poco injusto que quien no se la pueda permitir no tenga acceso a esas maquetas?
La verdad es que no creo que sea difícil encontrarlas en internet si alguien quiere escucharlas.
Lleváis años reuniendo material para sacar un DVD en el futuro. La caja incluye un DVD. Supongo que eso no es todo lo que teníais, pero ¿esto iba a ser parte del DVD grande futuro?
Sí, eso se suponía, pero decidimos meterlo aquí porque se centra en la gira del quinto disco. Es un año de gira. Digamos que completa el paquete. Ya haremos otra cosa para el DVD. Tenemos mil movidas, pero ni idea de cuándo saldrá. Somos épicos por una razón: todo lo hacemos despacio.
Hablando de lentitud, ¿cómo va la composición del séptimo álbum?
Pues por fin tengo buenas noticias. Ya tenemos un 60-70% listo y lo vamos a grabar este año. O sea, que saldrá. Ahora lo sé y puedo confirmarlo.
¿Va a ser conceptual? ¿Retomará el concepto del anterior?
No, será distinto. Conceptual, puede, pero con historias diferenciadas, para mantener el interés. Hemos hecho discos muy pesados.
Hace menos de un año que empezasteis a tocar Aika, a pesar de que la canción tiene catorce años. ¿Por qué no os decidisteis hasta ahora?
Sinceramente, no lo sé. Cuando planeábamos repertorios el año pasado decidimos que había que añadir algo, aunque no tuviéramos material nuevo. Entre las canciones que no habíamos tocado, elegimos esa. No sé por qué no la tocamos antes. Creo que suena bastante guay.
Pocas quedan que no hayáis tocado, ¿no? Varjojen virta...
Esa no la vamos a tocar nunca. Demasiado compleja. Y aburrida.
Hiidenpelto...
No creo que metamos mucho esas canciones de 30 minutos, porque queremos tocar más temas. Sí, Hiidenpelto es otra... Pero no quedan muchas. Haaska es otra. Hemos hablado de tocarla. Ya veremos.
Espero que tenga más éxito que Karhunkynsi. Me encanta esa canción. Creo que me dijiste tú que a la gente no le gusta.
No fui yo, fue Mitja. Está convencido de que no gusta. No sé. A mí me gusta tocarla. Pero igual se hace pelín aburrida. No sé.
Tiene una parte súper rápida... Bueno, es igual.
Súper rápida y súper larga.
¡Sí, pero mola!
¿En qué se inspira Aika?
Tiene que ver con el fin de la Era Vikinga. El año está mal, de hecho. Debería ser 1066.
Sí, esa era otra pregunta. ¿Fue un error?
Probablemente. No lo puedo decir. Seguirá siendo un misterio.
Ahora mismo, en este momento estamos muy cerca de Stamford Bridge [el lugar donde se libró una importante batalla en 1066]. ¿Pensáis visitarlo?
Nah, no tenemos tiempo, por desgracia. Hoy nada fue como planeábamos. Tuvimos que esperar un montón para el hotel, esperar un montón para la prueba de sonido, la cual fue bastante mal por fallos técnicos... No tuvimos tiempo para hacer turismo hoy. Es una pena. York es una ciudad interesante.
Y ahora están con el festival vikingo anual. Mi pregunta es si para vosotros es especial tocar en este festival aunque no hayáis tenido tiempo de verlo, pero formar parte de él.
Sí, claro que es especial, aunque no hayamos podido ver nada. Pero mola ser parte de los eventos. Para acabar con el tema del turismo: hay que aceptarlo como parte del trabajo. Nos pagan para dar conciertos, no para hacer turismo. Si hay tiempo lo hacemos, pero si no, trabajo es trabajo. No parece trabajo, claro.
Y viajar... Viajar es peor que trabajar.
Otra canción de tema vikingo es Tulimyrsky. Por lo que sé, la canción cuenta una historia. Háblanos de esta historia. ¿Es real? ¿Dónde tuvo lugar?
No, no es real. Para el álbum Voimasta ja kunniasta me inventé una historia sobre un ataque a una ciudad vikinga, y Tulimyrsky es la continuación. Los vikingos van y se vengan. Es todo inventado, cero elementos históricos.
O sea, ¿que el Voimasta es conceptual?
Sí, eso se supone.
Ya que sólo son cinco canciones, ¿puedes decir brevemente de qué va cada una?
Va de dos hermanos. Uno se deja cegar por el dinero: en un saqueo se queda en el pueblo saqueado, se pone a negociar con los locales, les da consejos tácticos sobre cómo saquear su propio pueblo y le pagan por esta información. Luego, en Tulimyrsky, esta gente va a vengarse y continúa la sangría.
¿Volveréis a hablar de vikingos algún día? ¿O ya os llegó de eso?
No sé. Los vikingos son interesantes pero creo que ya hemos hablado bastante de ellos. Puede que hagamos otras cosas en el futuro, puede que no. Ya veremos. No quiero adelantar nada del nuevo disco, pero probablemente no habrá vikingos.
¿Alguna vez os apeteció hacer algo acústico, o sinfónico, o alejado de lo habitual?
Si lo hiciéramos, sería con otro nombre. Si alguien tiene interés puede hacerlo como mejor le parezca. Probablemente sería Henri el que hiciera algo así, pero no sería como Moonsorrow. Nosotros tocamos rock and roll.
¿Qué piensas de la loudness war?
Es una bobada. A mí me gusta el sonido de los 70.
Aun así, el rango dinámico del Hävitetty es bajísimo.
Sí, ya sé. No fue decisión mía. Estoy muy disgustado con eso. Pero es lo que hay.
¿Fue cosa del sello o del grupo?
Henri es el que se encarga de la producción, así que eso hay que preguntárselo a él.
Pasando a cosas menos serias: ya no sales desnudo al escenario. ¡Pobres mozas!
Yo creo que es mejor para ellas. Podrían traumatizarse de por vida.
Para acabar, ¿qué podemos esperar hoy?
Canciones. Un buen e intenso repertorio munsorriano. ¡Nada menos!
TRANSCRIPTION
How is it going?
Pretty good. It's been a busy week or, how would I say, three weeks? We've been touring quite a lot. We're mostly recovering from last weekend. It was fun, but a lot of shows and a lot of travelling. But it's right to finally tour in Finland as well.
What about Marko, your drummer? I heard he got hurt doing martial arts or something. How is he doing?
He's still limping like an idiot, it looks stupid but he plays pretty well. It doesn't really affect his performance, it's just that we cannot do the fastest songs, he cannot do that kick drum thing very fast for a long time, but otherwise... yeah. Ville is sick today, he sounded like an old granny, with screechy voice, forty degrees of fever and so on.
That's why you're doing the interview.
Well, yes.
What can we expect from the show tonight? What are your expectations? I mean, you haven't been here [in Joensuu] since Ilosaarirock in 2003.
Yeah, it's amazing how long time it is. One in 10 years, and it seems like only 5 years passed. We are as enthusiastic as I hope the people are here as well. So we're gonna give our best show.
You've been touring so much, after this you'll be heading to Jyväskylä and after that you'll be going to lots of festivals abroad and of course Nummirock. Which of the coming events excites you the most?
I'm not lying if I say all of them, because I don't have any preferences, it's just that we get to play—for example, we have a couple of shows in Italy and they're both headlining shows, so of course they're exciting for us. And then the summer festivals always have a special atmosphere. Nummirock especially is a midsummer festival. Festivals in Finland are different from, let's say, German festivals.
How so?
There's something about Finnish summer and the nature and everything, when you finally get to play in such remote places like the Nummirock festival, which is in the middle of the woods, and so on. It has some special thing.
Will you be touring more after the last festival in June?
Actually will be just concentrating on recording the album, which will happen in August or something, so we're pretty busy with that. I don't think we're gonna tour that much before we release the album, and that's going to be either very late this year or early next year.
That's nice to hear, because I will ask you more about that. [laughs] By the way, how do you make the fake blood that you put on before the shows?
It depends, because usually we use real blood, but it gets bad after a certain period of time and you can't really use it unless you're playing in Watain, so then we use theatrical blood on tours. But in Finland, or if we're just a couple of days abroad, then we're just using real blood.
Wow.
It's much better actually, because the fake blood sticks in the pores of your skin and you look like a cancer patient after a couple of days. It's really horrible how people are looking on the tour, like they're terminally ill or something.
I was expecting you would give me some kind of recipe. [laughs]
Your lyrics are mostly in Finnish and when you're playing the crowd sings along. Which country do you think sings the most accurately outside of Finland?
Definitely Hungary.
Hungary?
Yes.
Wow.
Because there's a small link between Finnish and Hungarian languages, very small, very remote, but still they have been the most enthusiastic at learning Finnish. When we were there for the first couple of times we could hear so many people singing completely accurately all the lyrics. That was impressive.
What are some of your activities when you're not touring?
Well... living from the music is difficult and... I Never thought that we should live from the band or anything, because I have many other interests in life as well. I work as a cameraman and photographer, I do lives for all kinds of TV stuff. And then I have hobbies like sailing, I have a boat with a friend of mine, and I'm travelling quite a lot.
Do you still do the camera stuff for TV shows?
Yes, actually...
What TV shows?
Everything from the news to TV feature films and some commercials. And I also do commercial photography, when I can.
How have things changed since you signed with Century Media in terms like touring, making the current album and such?
You know... nothing has changed, because we still haven't released an album with them! We're still on the process of releasing the first album for Century Media, and then things might change, but we're waiting to get ready and they're waiting for us to be ready to release. We've met them, they're really nice people, and they seem to know pretty well what they are doing and how to work with this band. It's been very enjoyable to discuss with them.
Last year you released a boxed collection through Blood Music. It must have been so satisfying to know that your work from '95 to '08 is stored in one compilation, and it kind of re-introduces your beginnings to some people. How was that experience, and what was involved in making that happen?
I met the owner of the company about 4 years ago and he brought up the idea, we were just discussing something in a bar. I thought it was a crazy idea, that it wouldn't work, but he was very persistent. He had already done the Strapping Young Lad box, so he had an idea of how to work it. Then he approached the whole band, we started working on it, putting things together, seeing how it would go. It was a lot of work, it all took two yearsand a lot of involvement from the band and from him. Every single detail has been checked and redone, and it's a very particular way of working when you have to go through everything so many times, there are so many box sets, every layout is different, every set is different, millions of factors that have to be right. So we have a lot of respect for him.
Is it true that it's limited to only 100 copies?
No, there were about 400. There are 4 different sets, each 100, and one of them is 150. The "die hard" set is 150. It sold out pretty fast. I would never exp—
It sold out already?
Yeah, it sold out just... within a month or two the last copies were gone. There are still some few copies at some stores or eBay, but they are really expensive, so I don't know if they're ever gonna move.
Is it true that you've spent most of 2014 writing your new material, or do you think you'll be writing more?
We did and we ditched a lot of material. We had a lot of songs ready but it just didn't click. We thought that it wasn't perfect, we can do better, and we just ditched those songs and then started all over again. That was good, now the material is really good, it's gonna be a great album. We're all really satisfied with the material so far.
You mentioned that you don't want to do the same formula over and over again. Black metal, traditional Scandinavian music, progressive rock and nature: those elements will always be a part of your music. What are some new elements that will distinguish the new album?
Once again, there is a new kind of mix of those elements. It's hard to say how it's so different. The whole tonality of it is different. It sounds different compared to our last album, or any of them. But it's more like... There are so many elements. It's not as streamlined as the previous album, that was produced in the same kind of mood all through, but this time there are a lot of passages, there are a lot of metal parts and a lot of very black metal-ish parts. So I think it's going to be quite interesting for many people, actually.
[in the most unexcited voice possible] This sounds exciting, definitely.
I read that the new songs won't reach the usual epic lengths of the old songs. Is there any truth to this?
Depends on how you look at it. There are no 30-minute tracks, but mostly they are 15-minute tracks. It's not going to be any really short songs or anything. We're trying to have actually one shorter song also, because...
You're actually trying to make short songs now?
Yes, but we don't want to force it, it's stupid to try to force yourself.
Will you tell us if it's going to have any kind of cover, like on Tulimyrsky?
I don't think we will... We don't really like doing those, unless there's a perfect match that we really want to put out, but definitely not with the album. It will be some bonus.
Any estimation on when we can get our hands on the new album?
It's still in the talks. I would say very early 2016. It's possible to have it this year, but I'm not sure it's wise, because it needs a certain time for promotion, or preparing the cover art and everything, so it might be better to have it next year.
Your side band, Lakupaavi—how's that coming along now?
It's coming along all the time. It's stupid how many songs I, for example, have written during all these years. I have some 30 songs or something. Most of them I already have forgotten, or I really have to think to remember them, but there is some brilliant stuff. But we just never did it. Right now we are discussing that we should do it.
So you never had time since the last?
Or it just didn't feel right. The Lakupaavi album was done very spontaneously, it was just an outburst of whatever shit we were feeling and wanted to bring out. It should be done in the same way, or maybe in a totally different context. Maybe it won't be a Lakupaavi album, but something else. But I really wish to do it, because I have some really great songs.
Maybe different from Moonsorrow.
Yes, of course. It's this punk/grindcore stuff.
I read online that you're not drinking any more, well, you're drinking right now, but...
Who said that?
It must have been from an interview, I can't remember, that you don't drink any more... but you are drinking.
[looks at his beer can with sadness in his eyes] Yeah... I mean...
Who stopped drinking?
Nobody! (laughs) What the fuck is that?
Must have been a joke, then.
Yeah.
So, last question. Is there any message to our readers, your fans, out there?
Yes, there definitely is, because we are really waiting for having the opportunity to tour again all over the world, so wherever you are, if we are coming near you, please come to say hello and come to the show.
...interviewed by Narri
with Ville Sorvali of Moonsorrow
filmed by Nick Knudsen
@ Rocky Point Cantina, Tempe AZ
August 15, 2012
US Tour 2012
TRANSCRIPTION
The tour started out kind of crazy, how is it going so far?
We had a lot of good times, it's been great so far. At this point we are getting [tired?], but we had two days off.
Are you working on anything new?
We never do any new work on tour. I know bands who actually compose new material on tour, but I don't feel comfortable with the idea. I just like to concentrate on the shows.
A lot of Finnish bands that are beginning to have global success are starting to write lyrics and sing in English. Is that a trend Moonsorrow might follow?
Never. We will always stick with Finnish.
What are some themes or inspirations behind your lyrics?
I guess the main thing is that the lyrics, whatever they are, they always have the pagan undertone. You can't describe it in one word, but it's like... I'm influenced by the old traditions and the old culture before Christianity, and the respect for nature that our ancestors had, stuff like that. It's basically that I want the lyrics to be somehow apart from this fucked up society that I don't even want to live in, but I have to. I don't even have a choice, because there is no time machine. The lyrics for the new album actually take place in the future; this isn't tied to any period in time; they just have the same undertone [incomprehensible couple of words]. On this new album is what happens after the end of the world, when almost everyone died and there's just a group of survivors. It's a story, it has a beginning and an end, and it's basically that these guys have to find their way, because the whole system collapses, so they have to go out into the wild and try to find [ruins?]. The story is a bit less than one year and in the end everyone dies, so they don't survive even for one year.
Does Finland or Finnish culture influence your music? How so?
I always felt that I am Finnish, and I'm very interested in everything that people before [?] how they were thinking abouit the world. Finland is a very special place. Every winter we are like, "why the hell did Finnish people think about settling here?"
What is the strangest thing that has inspired you?
I have absolutely no idea. They just kind of pop up in my head. I have been writing, for example, when I was travelling alone in a train, looking out of the window, and grabbing my notebook.
How do you think Moonsorrow's music has evolved from the first album?
Quite a lot, I think. [laughs] Of course. Some of the others might disagree, but we have been taking huge steps forwards with each album and we always try to explore some new territories without forgetting our roots. Every time we sit down and start writing material for the new album, that is the turning point where we actually know what it's going to be like. Maybe we had some rough ideas, but it's only when we start writing that we know.
It's been said you consider yourselves Epic Heathen Metal. Can you explain what that is?
We don't want to describe our music, it's alive all the time. But it's metal, that is for sure; it has the term "epic" because it's kind of... You know, "epic" doesn't mean long songs or anything, as most people think. Epic as a word means "telling a story", and our songs are... it's a cliché to say it, but our music is more than just music, it's supposed to paint a picture in the head of the listener. So that's the "epic" part. And the "heathen" because we are heathen, we don't really like this Christ dude. [laughs] We want to describe our music as heathen or pagan metal because we don't want to tell too much about the music, we want to tell about the influences that we have.
Your fifth album, Viides luku: Hävitetty, is comprised of two 30-minute songs. How do you get inspired to write such lengthy tunes?
No idea. Why did we do that? It was how it felt at that time. We started writing and realized that Henri, who writes most of the music, had the intro for the first song and it was already six minutes, so we kind of knew that this was going to be something very extraordinary. We didn't stretch it intentionally, it just happened. Then we were like, "ok, we have one 30-minute song, let's have another one as well, let's see where we can go with this." It was a thing we had to do.
Throughout the years of the band, was there ever a time where you felt like you wanted to throw everything out and just start over?
No. All of us have had our moments, especially on tours, where we think "is this really worth it? I'm flying home, you carry on," but it's never that serious. We are a tight unit, every one of us is basically married to this band.
What's one thing you have learnt about people while being on the road or travelling?
More than about people, I've learnt a lot about myself, especially when I'm spending time alone in some foreign place. That's what I'm aiming to do, actually; I want to... I think everyone needs to know themselves; not everyone wants to, but I do. I take these experiences as an opportunity to get closer to myself by seeing other places and people who live there. When it comes to the people, [cuts abruptly and ends].
Transcribed on 23·II·2021.
13/09/2012 CA - Santa Ana, The Observatory (USA)
TRANSCRIPTION
Hello, this is Markus from Moonsorrow and you're watching Der Metal Krieger!
This is Carol from Der Metal Krieger and we are here at The Observatory in Santa Ana, just a few hours before Korpiklaani's headlining Manala tour, and here with us we have Moonsorrow, who are supporting them tonight. We have Ville, Marko and Markus from the band. How are you guys doing tonight?
[Various jokes]
I think you are a little more than halfway done with this North American tour. Tell me a bit about what you've seen as far as the energy of North American crowds versus what you guys are used to out in Europe.
Ville: I wouldn't compare, because I can't remember that far, but on this tour the energy of the audience has been outstnding.
Marko: Even quite fanatic at some venues. In San Francisco it was mad.
Markus: Way better than in the previous tour.
Marko: I don't know what the reason is, maybe it's our setlist.
So did it surprise you? I definitely know that sometimes, especially here in L.A., one kind of gets the feeling that people are sitting there with crossed arms, but it seems like you guys have definitely gotten good responses.
Marko: Yes, very intense, with moshpits and all.
You had moshpits here?
Marko: Several.
Really? That's very interesting, considering some your newer material, which we'll certainly talk about later. Your newest album is called As Shadows We Walk in the Land of the Dead, it was released in February via Spinefarm, and since then you've had some time to get some feedback. What has been the general feedback?
Ville: Critics like it, and audiences like it as well, judging on...
Marko: Even we like it!
What do you guys think?, you have evolved quite a bit from your folk metal roots, in your Chapter V: Ravaged album you took on this huge black metal. How are you guys feeling as far as the evolution of Moonsorrow goes?
Ville: We just do what we want to do.
Marko: It's been very natural since the beginning, the whole development of things. For example, on the third album we got those progressive rock elements besides all the traditional folk stuff or metal in general, and during 2005 or so we just got the idea that we had to make our sound much rougher and grimmer. Then we sort of went back in time to the roots of Moonsorrow, to the demo period...
Markus: Yes.
Marko: ...and we are still continuing in that way, that path of mixing the sound of the early days, that was based on mostly symphonic black metal, and... and... I don't know, there is this blacker stuff and progressive stuff, and lately, the traditional influences have been put away a bit.
Ville: They appear in a different shape. We still have a lot of that folky stuff over there, but...
But it's harsher, it's something like Chapter V, where there was this distinctive very black metal.
Ville: Yes, but it had folky elements as well, it's just not as prominent as with the other bands in the same league.
Marko: It's not that happy joy-joy oompa-oompa fiddle fiddle. It's darker, it's more intense... In Finnish traditional folk music, the majority of it is very dark, very sad and melancholic, and we always took our folk influences from that kind of music. So that's why we sound so depressive. :)
Ville: We are depressed.
One thing that does add to the depressive mood is the length of your songs. I was going through your discography and you realize that once you get to album 4 you guys started to get bold and brave with your 12-minute, 15-minute—the longest is 30 minutes and 25 seconds, I believe. How do you keep your energy when you're playing to live audiences, and how do you keep the energy of your audience too?
Ville: It just happens...
Marko: Eating healthy food, [everyone laughs] try not to drink so much before the show...
Just say that alcohol puts you in a trance or something so that the 12 minutes go by.
Marko: I think people, the crowd, are just acting very naturally to our songs. The energy from the crowd comes very naturally. We almost don't have to do anything. If we just stood there, shoegaze, whatever, they would still be doing the moshpit.
They did moshpits here, that I find very interesting.
Marko: But then again, we don't shoegaze. We headbang a lot and...
Ville: We have a lot of energy on the stage.
Marko: It's like doing exercise or something, like workout, really, for me.
Markus: For all of us, somehow.
Marko: It's good sport, you lose weight and everything.
All your records have been released on Spinefarm. However, you've recently made the switch in April to Century Media. Why did you make this change, and what do you think Century Media is going to do for your future records?
Ville: The answer to the first question is that sometimes you just...
Marko: The contracts run out.
Ville: ...you need a change. Contracts ran out several times and we re-signed to Spinefarm a few times, but sometimes you just need a change, and we felt that this was the right time.
Marko: I would confirm the Spinefarm era as a marriage that after certain years is just not going anywhere, you know... I don't know if you're married or not, but... [in a mocking voice] I've been married for one year and I can feel it now! It doesn't go anywhere! [everyone laughs]
There's a whole other interview to tell Marko's personal life!
Marko: But you know the expression. We somehow felt like it didn't go anywhere. The promotion was always the same, very... there was something, but not really anything special.
Okay, I totally understand you.
Ville: With Spinefarm we all have to realize that they certainly helped to establish the band, they actually made us what we are now. It's not out of disrespect to them or anything, but we felt that we needed a new kick to the butt, and we all thought that with Century Media it might be possible. They have been really interested, we had a few meetings before they even directly asked about the signing.
Now comes a question from a fan on Reddit. Asator wants to know if the shift from the folkish sound was fully intentional and if we can expect a return of your folk elements in the future.
Ville: You never know. [laughs] We never know ourselves. We just do what we do.
Marko: I think on the next material there will be more dynamics. The way I see Chapter V and Like Shadows, they're very like... you put the CD on, they are like CHVVVVV [separates his hands vertically, moves them to the right while he makes this low-pitch "white noise", joins them again at the end] and then it ends.
Ville: Yes, it's a crushing wall of sound.
Marko: But for the next one I'd like, we would like, to do something more like this [moves his hand from left to right drawing a wave in the air].
Something more unpredictable?
Marko: ...probably...
We never know! You know what? Who will come and interview us, they will know! [or something like that]
Markus: That's true.
Marko: At the same time, we want to have our listeners crushed under the wall of sound and fierce blackmetalish blast beats and everything. We want to include as much as possible. But still to keep it within some limits and not to go too far, too psychedelic-progressive or too fast, I don't know, Darkthrone.
Oh, no, please! We'll have an intervention if that happens.
Marko: In Moonsorrow it's easier to say what we cannot do than what we can do.
Ville: And we can do a lot of things.
Marko: It's easy to say that there will never be any kind of industrial elements in Moonsorrow, or electronic.
Ville: But it's as easy to say that in Moonsorrow you haven't seen anything yet.
But we're all looking forward to seeing it and seeing you guys progress! Thank you all so much and good luck with your show tonight.
Transcribed on 22·II·2021.
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10·VIII·2012
Bloodstock Open Air, UK
TRANSCRIPTION
You played on the Ronnie James Dio stage earlier today. What was the experience like for you?
Playing on a stage with that name is an honor, and we don't play in England too often, so that's a very special occasion for Moonsorrow. Although it was an early show, 2 o'clock in the afternoon, the audience was full of energy and we were very warmly welcome, as usual in England. We like it very much in here.
What are the English crowds like compared to the rest of Europe? Here we have a reputation for being a little bit crazier.
It's hard to tell, because we played so early. Considering that, it was fantastic, but if we had played at 9 o'clock in the evening, who knows what kind of havoc there would have been! But as for comparison... There are good audiences everywhere. There are different types of, let's say, fanaticism, for example in Mexico, or last October we were in China, and on one show we did there, they had never witnessed any Western rock and roll band. It was in a city called Harbin. And well, obviously, because they never saw any rock bands, it was very easy, Ville just told them "let's go fucking crazy" or whatever and people were spilling beer and whatnot. But it doesn't really matter where we are playing, in what conditions we are playing. Of course, playing here is top notch...
We had a good weather today as well, didn't we?
Yeah, it's better than in Finland! This is very rare during summer.
To us too... So, if somebody was to find Moonsorrow for the first time, how would you describe your sound? What makes you unique? I've heard the term "epic heathen metal".
We made that up ourselves some years ago. But then again, the word "epic" nowadays... Do you think it's a bit overused?
It is getting that way, yes, but it's still very much relevant.
It is, yes. You could say Moonsorrow being epic as fuck. Can I say that? [laughs] Yes I can? But some words... We're definitely Finnish, because we sing in Finnish and we're not going to change that, it's gonna be Finnish or nothing.
Superb, that sounds fantastic.
It's very hard to tell. We are the band that does very long, boring songs, for some people, for most of the people, but those who understand what it is all about get it very easily. Even my father, he's 70 years old and...
Big metal fan?
No, not at all, he sings in a choir and... But he respects a lot what we are doing and he comes to our shows in Helsinki. It's crazy.
Pretty awesome, actually. So, your last album was released in February 2011 — are there any sort of plans for a new album in the near future?
Yes, we just secured a new record contract with Century Media, and Henri, our main songwriter, he's also in Finntroll, as you perhaps know, he's doing a new Finntroll album first, and after that, and after whatever stress vacation he must have after that, we will slowly start to write new songs. Or actually, maybe we will start with Ville and Mitja and Markus even before the whole Finntroll stuff is finished. We're just trying to go to our rehearsal place and do it the old school way, because that's not really the way we have done the albums in the past. It's normally being Henri or myself, at home, doing MP3s, sending them over, "I have these ideas", or even whole ready songs. But this time we really wanted to do it the more old school way, just have some... well, maybe jamming is not the right word, but just on a normal way, "I have this riff, what do you have?, oh, maybe those could fit together". We try to approach it a bit differently than what we have done before.
Superb. So...
As for the schedule or whatever, I would say late next year for a release.
I look forward to that. Do you have any more shows lined up after Bloodstock in the UK?
Actually, tomorrow we are going to do our first show ever in Ukraine, in the Carpathian Mountains, there is this metal festival about which we don't have much information beforehand, but from what we heard, it's located in the mountains, over a thousand metres high, so I'm looking forward to the view and everything. That will be our last festival for this summer, and in three weeks we will start the North American tour with Korpiklaani and Týr and Metsatöll from Estonia. It's going to be a 4-week tour covering the major cities in the States and something in Canada also.
Are you going to be due back in the UK anytime soon?
I hope we can do some mini-tour at least next year, because we regret we have been skipping the UK all these years. But, I don't know, you must push your local promoters more, because we play everywhere. Last October we did China, four shows in China with very primitive equipment, but we had a lot of fun. We were totally tourists there. But hey, we played in Shanghai for 600 people, we played in Beijing for another 600, and we never thought we would play for that many people in China. It was awesome.
That sounds very awesome. To wrap things up, do you have any messages for your fans, anything you'd like to say?
In the UK? Well, uhm, I don't want to be sorry for not playing here more often...
No, don't be sorry.
...but be patient, push your local promoters and whatever. I hate to play only every four years here. It sucks that most of our tours are skipping the UK for some reason. We will make a correction for that next year or... Yeah, next year.
Superb. Thank you very much for your time, it's been an absolute pleasure, and [to the camera] catch you guys later!
Transcribed on 19·II·2021. I was in that Ukrainian festival up on the Carpathian mountains, the name was Carpathian Alliance, and it was fucking awesome. It was terribly cold for August and the sound in most of the concerts was horrible, but the general atmosphere and especially the location were amazing. The place was a ski resort called Zahar Berkut, in a village called Volosyanka, few hours away from Lviv. Other bands in the line-up were Arkona from Russia, Týr, Carpathian Forest (in an actual Carpathian forest!), Inquisition, Dark Funeral (who gave me a lift to the hotel the first night) and a few smaller ones, including a then-promising but eventually short-lived Ukrainian act called Viter. You can check some of my photos and videos here, here, here and here.

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Recorded in Bilbao during the Dead Tyrants Tour, November 2011.
[Most questions written by me!]
After some festivals, this is your first club tour in Spain, right? How were the gigs so far? Better than expected, worse, different?
Ville: It was great. The Spanish audience is very lively, they have always welcomed us well.
You're introducing some songs from the latest album. How has the response been, both in the tour in general and in Spain?
Mitja: Sometimes you can really tell that people know the new songs. In Spain I think people don't know them so well. I can tell that especially the first song of the album, people are more listening to it, not knowing what's going on, but the last song usually works very well.
Ville: Actually that was a big surprise for me, how well it fits the situation. People always seem to go a bit nuts during the last song, even though it's slow and it's not the hit song kind. But people seem to like it a lot.
I saw you in Madrid for the first time and you didn't have blood! It looked very much like ink! What happened?
Mitja: Hmm. Maybe someone put too much water in the mixture... [laughs]. We have to use fake blood, we cannot use real one on the tour, it would get so bad in a couple of days, so we have to make it from artificial blood and put some water in it, and sometimes you make it too loose. That's what happened. But it also depends on the light: if there's red light on the stage you won't see it at all, if there's blue light it shows very well.
Did you choose Crimfall as support yourselves?
Mitja: Yes.
Ville: Yes and no. They were one of those that were offered, and in the end we didn't really choose it, because it was the agency's decision, but we voted for them, we can say that.
And why Crimfall, why did you vote for them?
Ville: They are cool guys and deserve to be in a long tour. It's their first tour, and immediately five weeks long... It should educate them pretty well!
I also noticed this is the first tour you're not playing Pakanajuhla...
Ville: ...and not the last. [laughs]
Why did you make this decision? It was omnipresent in the past.
Ville: It's kind of haunting us. It's not a song that we like that much. But I can understand why people like that song, there are the elements, but for us it's a bit too different from what we want to do nowadays.
And you are playing Sankaritarina in every show! This wasn't so usual either, no?
Ville: We found out that this song really works, both for us and the audience. The audience always sings along, feels like being in a footbal match, and we all enjoy playing it, it's a really fun song to play.
And now you started to play it in its full length.
Both: Yes.
Ville: You can blame Marko for that. He wanted to have the ending. And I think it fits.
Which are your favourite and unfavourite songs?
Mitja: It changes all the time. I would say my favourite song at the moment would be something from the album Verisäkeet, maybe Jotunheim; or something from the new album, right now the last song, Kuolleiden Maa.
Ville: My absolute favourite has to be Kuolleiden Maa. There's something personal in it, especially when playing live it gives me an extra kick of energy, and it's definitely my favourite of all the songs we have done.
And the one you like least?
Ville: You can't really discriminate between your own kids... But I can still say it's Pakanajuhla. [laughs]
Mitja: Yeah, I would say it's Pakanajuhla. I'm also a little disappointed on the song Kaiku, because it didn't turn out as good as we wanted. [Ville makes signs of agreement.] It works, but it could be a little bit better. Some of the vocal lines are a bit off... If we had more time it would be better.
Ville: We kind of wanted to have an authentic five-guys-around-the-bonfire feeling, very simplistic, but I think we overdid it and it's a bit too naked now.
Cameraman: I just wanted to say that the album in my t-shirt [Hävitetty] is the best in the world.
Mitja: Travis Smith is the guy who designed the cover artwork, responsible for this image too.
The next question is an angry one: Y U NO HUUTO???
Ville: [laughs] You're not the first one to ask that!
I'm sure!
Ville: [turns to Mitja] What is the answer?
Mitja: Marko! That fucking asshole refused to play it.
Really?
Mitja: Yes.
Ville: Angry question, angry answer. I don't really know what is the exact reason, but...
Mitja: Some people in the band think it's not a good live song. I think it would be a great live song. But there are very big differences in opinion about this subject and about this song in general. I would definitely want to play it. Some people don't... We also didn't have much time to make it work and rehearse it for playing live, it's a huge challenge.
Ville: It's a very complicated song to learn for live situations, and we would have to make some new arrangements for the keyboards and stuff. But I can promise that in 2021, in the 10th anniversary of this album, we will play that song. [laughs]
Hopefully before that!
Mitja: If we're alive!
My perception may be wrong here, but I think you grew exponentially after the year 2007. You had some albums already, but after that, your popularity increased a lot. Am I right?
Mitja: That's very hard to say. If you look at the record sales, they have been pretty much the same since 2007.
What about attendance to concerts and everything?
Mitja: That's hard to say, because we have done so many of these Paganfest tours where there are loads of bands, and you get to play for 2000 people in a night every night, but that doesn't tell where you are exactly, only where the package is. But yes, there has been a lot of increase, especially because we have toured a lot in America lately, and there you can really say if... We were there for the first time in 2005, and the increase from there on has been very big.
When I started listening to you, I searched some videos on Youtube and there were three and a half pages of videos; now there are more than fifty, and this happened in very few years.
Ville: Yes, because of pocket cameras and stuff became so popular nowadays, everyone has them!
Well, but also the original songs...
Ville: Of course, yes. People seem to... There's a loyal bunch of people who really seem to care about the band, that bunch also seems to be growing, and it's really nice.
You have recently been in China, in four cities, Moonsorrow 4 - 0 Metallica...
Everybody: [laughter, laughter, all I hear or see is laughter]
...tell us about China, how you got there, how come their first Western band is such a difficult one to listen to.
Ville: I could probably write a book about it. It was... an experience, definitely. Something completely different.
But why do you think that, instead of getting AC/DC or any more popular, easy-listening band , they took you?
Mitja: It always depends on the promoters, and there's one promoter in Taiwan, Soundforce Entertainment or something, who has been bringing metal bands to China: Lamb of God, Arch Enemy, what else... I'm not sure... They already wanted us some time ago, and now it finally came true. It was one of the most interesting experiences ever, to play for a crowd who hasn't seen so many metal bands...
Ville: ...and to play for a crowd who has never seen a band from outside of China.
Mitja: Yeah, in Harbin and Changchun.
Ville: No, in Harbin they had, some years ago there was an Italian band, so we were actually the second non-Chinese band to play there.
Mitja: And it was very hard to know what to expect, but when the intro started and the crowd started to sing along the melodies we just knew that it was going to be great.
Ah, they knew the songs and all?
Mitja: Yes, yes.
Ville: This is the point where I'm going to make an anti-anti-piracy statement, because without them having access to illegal downloads they wouldn't know the songs. I'm pretty sure that no one sells our CDs in China at all.
Maybe by mail?
Ville: Yes, of course, a few people, but the import CDs are so expensive and they don't have so much money there.
I think it was you who said that you wanted to be like an antithesis of folk metal, with different pictures, not dressed like Vikings and everything... Tell me about it.
Mitja: We kind of became one, because we never... We have those in the early days in the pictures, but we didn't take it to the stage imagery. When the trend went to where everybody was wearing furs and harnesses and looking like knights, we weren't so interested in that any more. When we started we were pretty young anyway, and we really liked having all these swords and stuff, playing with the idea, but then we realized that... When Turisas and all our friends, they did their ways... we decided that maybe we should go somewhere completely different.
Ville: Also because musically we always kind of made our own path. All the albums are different. We didn't choose to be folk metal, people just put us in the box. I mean, it is folk metal, but not in the way most people understand it.
When you changed your image, you also changed your music: in the first three albums, the songs are very epic, we are warrior kings, bla bla, but then they got darker. It's a very big difference suddenly.
Ville: It's quite easy to say now, when time has passed, that Verisäkeet was actually a conscious counter-action to all this folk metal thing. At that point we wanted to separate ourselves from it as much as possible, and go back to the roots, because our demos are quite much black metal, more than this Viking thing. So we wanted to take a step back, or a few, and see where that would take us.
You also talked about filming a DVD. Have you been filming songs or something in this tour?
Ville: [points at Mitja] He's always filming.
Mitja: We have material coming all the time. It's just that when we can put it out, that's a different thing. We still need a proper concert to be filmed in a proper way. We have been planning it for two years and it's still on the way. We hope to do it in the winter, but we never know.
Ville: Mañana. [laughs]
Aren't you filming individual songs?
Mitja: Yes we are.
Ville: They can make some clips, but...
Mitja: From the tour it's going to be pretty much just clips of certain songs, then some on-the-road material, and then again some clips. Because that's not a proper way to make a DVD, just with two cameras. I don't want to release anything like that.
Ville: The bottom line is that we have to put a lot of money in it to film a proper concert.
Mitja: And it has to be the perfect timing.
Ville: We have to hire a crew of... I don't know how many people, you know better.
Mitja: Well, pretty much... a huge crew.
What about parallel bands? You had some, right? Vere, Section 8 or something like that...
Ville: Yes, I have some projects going on.
With Mathias from Finntroll, right?
Ville: Yes, but we just did that one demo and after that we've been talking that we should make another one. We both have songs, but we never find the time, because when I'm not touring, he is touring.
Has that demo been released?
Ville: Only in the internet. On Myspace. myspace.com/vereofficial [it's actually myspace.com/officialvere].
Finally I wanted to talk about the fact that you never take pre-recorded material onstage. In your albums you have a lot of things going on, but on the stage you never... Why?
Ville: That is one thing that we won't compromise. I think everyone in the band agrees: there are no backing tracks.
Do you limit yourselves in the studio not to do things that you won't be able to take live?
Ville: No. In the studio we do exactly what we want, and that is the fun part of it, because then we have to challenge ourselves again to make the songs work live. But fundamentally, when we play live we want to be a rock band with five members and do as much as we can with five members.
I've heard that sometimes Henri plays in Finland with Finntroll and they have two keyboards on the stage. Haven't you thought of doing the same thing with Moonsorrow when you play in Finland?
Mitja: Actually we have... not maybe...
Ville: Not two keyboards, but three guitars would be an interesting idea.
You've never done it yet, right?
Both: No.
Mitja: But we might make a DVD with three guitars, and if it works out... Depends on how we see it, how we want to make it. We really have to talk about it and sit down and try it. Three guitars will also be very challenging to make it tight enough for a DVD release, and we have to rearrange everything in that sense. There's no point in three guitars playing the same riff and it all sounding mushy.
Ville: There are a lot of options and arrangements.
That was all from me. Anything you want to add?
Ville: We have to thank the Spanish promoters for finally fixing us here for more shows than just one.
Transcribed on 18·II·2021. I should have waited three more days and do it on the 10th anniversary of the album. I doubt anyone cares anyway. Or anybody ever reads this.